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		<title>By: Marcus Widerberg</title>
		<link>http://www.taylor.se/blog/2008/10/24/does-distributed-development-really-make-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-17287</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Widerberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stefan: You hippie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stefan: You hippie!</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Andersson</title>
		<link>http://www.taylor.se/blog/2008/10/24/does-distributed-development-really-make-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-17032</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Andersson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andres,

I think it has all and everything to do with the project goal, size and structure. I have never worked in a big corporate distributed project, but I am working in both a (very) small corporate project, and a mid-size open source project, and they are both doing very good.

Actually, I&#039;ve come to think that &#039;respect&#039; is a key factor. You really have to think that your peers are cool people with the cool ideas, that you like (or at least accept) on a personal level. If so, talking to people, sharing ideas and knowledge becomes an act of love.

Actually, maybe &#039;love&#039; is a better word. Love for your peers, love for the project, love for the work and love for the code.

Yeah. Love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andres,</p>
<p>I think it has all and everything to do with the project goal, size and structure. I have never worked in a big corporate distributed project, but I am working in both a (very) small corporate project, and a mid-size open source project, and they are both doing very good.</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve come to think that &#8216;respect&#8217; is a key factor. You really have to think that your peers are cool people with the cool ideas, that you like (or at least accept) on a personal level. If so, talking to people, sharing ideas and knowledge becomes an act of love.</p>
<p>Actually, maybe &#8216;love&#8217; is a better word. Love for your peers, love for the project, love for the work and love for the code.</p>
<p>Yeah. Love.</p>
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		<title>By: Andres</title>
		<link>http://www.taylor.se/blog/2008/10/24/does-distributed-development-really-make-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-16699</link>
		<dc:creator>Andres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith:
I read a paper written by Jeff Sutherland et al. http://jeffsutherland.com/scrum/SutherlandDistributedScrumHICSS2007FinalSubmission.pdf

What I get out from it is that you have to see distributed development as a big investment that takes at least a year to get going, and takes considerable amount of work to get to work, and even then, the pay off is not even close to the wage difference.

If you have time, energy and money to invest, and you are already very good at developing software effectively, distributed development might make sense.

Most of the teams I&#039;ve met that want to use distributed development are already struggling with their communication today. Introducing the problems of distributed development there wouldn&#039;t make sense. That is the gist of what I was trying to say. Your mileage might vary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith:<br />
I read a paper written by Jeff Sutherland et al. <a href="http://jeffsutherland.com/scrum/SutherlandDistributedScrumHICSS2007FinalSubmission.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://jeffsutherland.com/scrum/SutherlandDistributedScrumHICSS2007FinalSubmission.pdf</a></p>
<p>What I get out from it is that you have to see distributed development as a big investment that takes at least a year to get going, and takes considerable amount of work to get to work, and even then, the pay off is not even close to the wage difference.</p>
<p>If you have time, energy and money to invest, and you are already very good at developing software effectively, distributed development might make sense.</p>
<p>Most of the teams I&#8217;ve met that want to use distributed development are already struggling with their communication today. Introducing the problems of distributed development there wouldn&#8217;t make sense. That is the gist of what I was trying to say. Your mileage might vary.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Santini</title>
		<link>http://www.taylor.se/blog/2008/10/24/does-distributed-development-really-make-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-16695</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Santini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith, 

Here is a concrete experience at odds with Jeff and Guido.
http://blog.jayfields.com/2008/09/is-distributed-development-viable.html

Where does that leave us?

p.s. Hi Andres</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, </p>
<p>Here is a concrete experience at odds with Jeff and Guido.<br />
<a href="http://blog.jayfields.com/2008/09/is-distributed-development-viable.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.jayfields.com/2008/09/is-distributed-development-viable.html</a></p>
<p>Where does that leave us?</p>
<p>p.s. Hi Andres</p>
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		<title>By: Andres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith:
Of course it&#039;s not a black and white thing. I&#039;m absolutely certain that their are a number of situations where distributed development makes very good business sense. I&#039;m not trying to say that there aren&#039;t. Maybe &quot;you’d be a fool not to do it&quot; is a bit to strong for me. I think that many people agree with me that software development is hard enough for most companies without the added problems introduced by distributed teams.

I know nothing of Jeff&#039;s experience. Haven&#039;t read any detailed experience reports about it. My own experience points to something else, and I won&#039;t give up that thought just because of a presentation held at Agile 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith:<br />
Of course it&#8217;s not a black and white thing. I&#8217;m absolutely certain that their are a number of situations where distributed development makes very good business sense. I&#8217;m not trying to say that there aren&#8217;t. Maybe &#8220;you’d be a fool not to do it&#8221; is a bit to strong for me. I think that many people agree with me that software development is hard enough for most companies without the added problems introduced by distributed teams.</p>
<p>I know nothing of Jeff&#8217;s experience. Haven&#8217;t read any detailed experience reports about it. My own experience points to something else, and I won&#8217;t give up that thought just because of a presentation held at Agile 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesper Larsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesper Larsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About documentation, hasn&#039;t it been established that most documentation is never read? I would say that the one thing that is better than producing a good piece of documentation is to remove the need for that documentation.

I have no deep insights regarding distributed development, but a simple reflection is that if the people that for one reason or another (cost, skills, …) are the most suitable to develop something are distributed over the world, then distributed development should make sense. After all, it&#039;s not impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About documentation, hasn&#8217;t it been established that most documentation is never read? I would say that the one thing that is better than producing a good piece of documentation is to remove the need for that documentation.</p>
<p>I have no deep insights regarding distributed development, but a simple reflection is that if the people that for one reason or another (cost, skills, …) are the most suitable to develop something are distributed over the world, then distributed development should make sense. After all, it&#8217;s not impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Braithwaite</title>
		<link>http://www.taylor.se/blog/2008/10/24/does-distributed-development-really-make-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-16648</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Braithwaite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andres, you might want to consider this description of highly effective distributed development: http://blog.xebia.com/2008/08/21/agile2008-fully-distributed-scrum/

What Jeff and Guido were saying at Agile 2008 was that using the right approach distributed development works so well that you&#039;d be a fool not to do it (given the lower cost and higher availability  of off–shore developers) In fact, Jeff pretty much recommends that you look for opportunities to do that. He says &quot;fully distributed Scrum has more value than localised Scrum&quot;

Here&#039;s the difference that I see: you have a compelling theoretical argument that contradicts Jeff&#039;s claims about his actual experience. Something has to give.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andres, you might want to consider this description of highly effective distributed development: <a href="http://blog.xebia.com/2008/08/21/agile2008-fully-distributed-scrum/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.xebia.com/2008/08/21/agile2008-fully-distributed-scrum/</a></p>
<p>What Jeff and Guido were saying at Agile 2008 was that using the right approach distributed development works so well that you&#8217;d be a fool not to do it (given the lower cost and higher availability  of off–shore developers) In fact, Jeff pretty much recommends that you look for opportunities to do that. He says &#8220;fully distributed Scrum has more value than localised Scrum&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the difference that I see: you have a compelling theoretical argument that contradicts Jeff&#8217;s claims about his actual experience. Something has to give.</p>
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		<title>By: Andres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beza1e1:
Yes, documentation might pay off over time. But it might also not. I claim that sitting together will almost always increase productivity. Do you think that documenting better will make a team 300% more effective?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beza1e1:<br />
Yes, documentation might pay off over time. But it might also not. I claim that sitting together will almost always increase productivity. Do you think that documenting better will make a team 300% more effective?</p>
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		<title>By: beza1e1</title>
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		<dc:creator>beza1e1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Distributed development forces you to do better documentation and written down knowledge transfer. This may pay off over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Distributed development forces you to do better documentation and written down knowledge transfer. This may pay off over time.</p>
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